yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-7 14:00:41

看看专家是怎么解释的

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看看专家是怎么解释的

苏凌枫z 发表于 2023-4-7 14:11:35

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-7 14:00
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那是不是可以理解为所有280℃排烟防火阀都需要拉硬线接入风机控制箱呢?点对点直接控制。

lh19930615 发表于 2023-4-8 12:34:58

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-7 14:00
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我觉得这个说法有点先入为主,先自己认定了要连锁控制,再找了个理由说报警系统不可控;既然关闭风机要“连锁”控制,为何又同意开启风机联动控制;难道开启风机就不受手动/自动/故障状态影响吗?

x01oct 发表于 2023-4-8 15:00:07

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-7 14:00
看看专家是怎么解释的
这人不是专家,不要听他的

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-10 09:58:43

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x01oct 发表于 2023-4-8 15:00
这人不是专家,不要听他的
听不听他的,无所谓。但是审图已经按这个来审了啊data:image/png;base64,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电饭锅 发表于 2023-4-10 17:07:41

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-10 09:58
听不听他的,无所谓。但是审图已经按这个来审了啊

他这个是要求防火阀一对一拉线到控制箱吗?还是是说可以把那些防火阀串起来然后接到风机控制箱?

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-11 08:47:24

电饭锅 发表于 2023-4-10 17:07
他这个是要求防火阀一对一拉线到控制箱吗?还是是说可以把那些防火阀串起来然后接到风机控制箱?

审图要求把280度阀串起来接到风机控制箱

libocai 发表于 2023-4-11 09:46:19

本帖最后由 libocai 于 2023-4-11 09:54 编辑

这个问题也好理解啊。
目前民用建筑的消防设施仅考虑一处着火点,即同一时间着火点只在一个防火分区内。当280度防火阀,到温度就关闭,且耐火极限仅要求半小时。那半小时后,火沿着风管蹿火就扩大火灾面了。
另外还有一个是,排烟风机对应多个防烟分区,都是要求在某个防烟分区着火才开排烟口,其他防烟分区的口是关闭的。如此当着火的防烟分区内火跟着风管导致防火阀关闭之后,风管内是负压的,这会进一步加速蹿火速度。


yangyang_pd 发表于 2023-4-11 13:45:57

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-11 08:47
审图要求把280度阀串起来接到风机控制箱

那就不满足 每个防烟分区的 280°阀的控制要求啦?这样做的意义是什么呢?

777777777 发表于 2023-4-11 17:24:46

yangyang_pd 发表于 2023-4-11 13:45
那就不满足 每个防烟分区的 280°阀的控制要求啦?这样做的意义是什么呢?

根据哪条规范呢?关键是依据要充分(规范未对联锁进行解释,所以都是自己理解),最后怎么做 不还是靠自己掰扯嘛{:4_122:}

bruceleezqbx1 发表于 2023-4-19 17:16:07

yjgabc 发表于 2023-4-11 08:47
审图要求把280度阀串起来接到风机控制箱

是并联接入,不是串联

bruceleezqbx1 发表于 2023-4-19 17:37:43

消防风机、消防水泵在自动工作模式下,目前都没有自动停机的功能,需有权限的人员进行手动停机。程序上的自动(消防联动)停机可能会误动,排烟防火阀熔断关闭信号直接连锁关闭排烟风机,是“点对点”的直接控制,更为可靠。

rainmen_73 发表于 2023-4-19 17:41:56

bruceleezqbx1 发表于 2023-4-19 17:37
消防风机、消防水泵在自动工作模式下,目前都没有自动停机的功能,需有权限的人员进行手动停机。程序上的自 ...

要加个联动关机也不难,西南院出的地方图集早就加上了http://www.jzdq.net.cn/club/forum.php?mod=image&aid=29626&size=300x300&key=ec0aef936682ee08&nocache=yes&type=fixnone

bruceleezqbx1 发表于 2023-4-19 17:49:37

rainmen_73 发表于 2023-4-19 17:41
要加个联动关机也不难,西南院出的地方图集早就加上了

请教一下,KA04的联动触发信号是采用哪两个独立的报警信号的"与"逻辑组合?

hastings 发表于 2023-4-19 22:07:28

国标图集总线联动只能启不能停,这就又涉及到图集跟实际产品的脱节之处了,实际报警系统厂家产品对于风机水泵之类的,使用的是多线模块,而不是图集上的一输出N输入的几个模块组合,有时候审图还会提意见,要按国标图集表示准确的输入输出点数。厂家使用的多线模块是可以总线停设备的。当然总线盘上的停止操作基本只有考试或验收时测试用。
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